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Littlefloor
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 Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: Bugera on sight |
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Our local music store got from Croatians business friend the smoking new model of this amp last night. I was informed today early morning about it and went w/o morning coffee and despite my wife's protest. 
Honestly, I never saw or heard about this amp and at first I thought that seller misspelled name Bugera instead Bogner! OK, nothing to lose, I thought and went fast down the hill. At first sight, I was stunned! What a hell it's? On the middle of room was black/silver amp, that looks very close to some Peavey models. A half stack, made by model 333XL Bugera head and Marshall-like cabinet Bugera 412H (cca. 120-150W). Close inspection showed that this is pure valve amp with huge valve inside: 4 valve in preamp and 4 in the power-amp!!! After switch on and coffee until it get working condition, I start to make choice of guitar: ... hard to find out some good, strong... Fender advanced Highway-1, Yamaha Pacifica series, some low-budget Jackson... and I got Jackson. Low gain, high gain input!? Who need low gain on this amp?  I wasn't interested for clean tones and right now started to make some setup for brutal, shaking tone. Seller remembered me that windows are very big and breakable  I opened front door and turned cabinet to the wall.
Tone is great, I'm not familiar with Jackson and dislike sharp edges of body and high strings on neck. But beside it, sound is very strong and remember me on some power-metal bands sound. After Jackson I tried Highway-1 and noticed sound difference well, it 'means that this ona isn't only stompbox amp where all guitars sounds same. I gave axe to the seller and went to home for X-plorer. With X a song is completely different: powerfully ceramics shows all raw power and together with wild and brutal sound of 8 valves start to plow air in the shop!  Build in noise gate help with cheap axes and same cables. Turn this knob left, this one right,... Justice for all...sounds (smell) good... Each minut-two seller show me the store's windows  Even it's 9:00AM passed many people still sleeping and seller decided to calm down me  , just in time when few curious visitors and waiters from saloon on corner entered in showroom.
After 10-15 min of playing I must confess that it has "it", what I consider is metal amp. But, price is very funny part of the story: bellow 550EUR for head in comparison with Mesa & Bogner and 250EUR for cabinet! But...
Bugera, as far as I was able to find out, is some subsidiary of Behringer, that made this trademark models according to Mesa & Peavey design. Of course, I wish not to say that Bugera is copy & paste of mentioned models but looks very close. I know that Randall also have some cheap models made in China (where this one is really produced?), and I would like to know what component quality is inside, what durability is...
At least, based on this short experience a man must say that this amp has potential and probably bright future, especially with this price, which shall to offer even to "poor" musicians to have "Mesa"-sound...
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| Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 5:00 am Post subject: |
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That looks like a hell of a rig.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:15 am Post subject: |
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Just to add info: cabinet Bugera 412H is 200W, with 4 speaker made by Bugera! Offer for mono 200W or stereo 100W (16 or 8 Ohm).
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Lonewolf
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| Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like you had a good time. I have never heard of those amps until a month ago. I seen an advertisement in a guitar mag. I would wait awhile and see if they have reliability issues before buying and go back and play a few more times to see if she's still "the one". Bring a guitar from home also.
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonewolf wrote: | | Sounds like you had a good time. I have never heard of those amps until a month ago. I seen an advertisement in a guitar mag. I would wait awhile and see if they have reliability issues before buying and go back and play a few more times to see if she's still "the one". Bring a guitar from home also. |
I was yesterday too with Dean ML... amp is really madness in positive way of thinking, and I spend half hour searching for some defect why it is so "cheap"... it is unable to get inside head in order to check all parts and so... but looks massive, rather huge, and sound very f*****g sharp for axe with Floyd and other trems. Bad thing is that, like other tube, it working the best when volume is above half ... but store isn't so big, huge glasses surfaces... Like you, I would also to know how reliable it is on long time terms, repairing, services... we will see.
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Lonewolf
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| Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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Did you crank it up and play the solo to Floods?
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| Lonewolf wrote: | | Did you crank it up and play the solo to Floods? |
No, noo, young salesman didn't allow to me to crank it as far as I would like but acceptable for little games with tremolo... glasses remained intact, only power chords a la Black Label Soc. made windows glasses a little more "nervous" than usually 
Shame that store has not so good offer of pedals (few Marshall's, Dan Electro...) but - OK, really OK. If you ask me, this amp shall a man play each day on 80% of power 3 hours, make pause and then replay it later in order to measure potential reliability... cabinet behavior is great, and I think that it could replace popular Marshall's 4x12 cabs...
Maybe owner would allow me, if weather remain sunny, to get it outside, in front of store and hit once-two a some good riff ...at full power!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Sounds like a good plan.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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It's only 200 watts? 
Sheesh, do you have to register it with the government, and get earthquake insurance?
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| SAguitar wrote: | It's only 200 watts?
Sheesh, do you have to register it with the government, and get earthquake insurance? |
Ah yes,... only paltry 120W of raw power that is growling through four speakers
Bugera still didn't make class like 350-400W ... but, shhsh... Stan, somebody could think about me like I'm a little bit deaf... But you know, what is stupid thing: when you bring outside of store so huge thing like MF as I did before few years there is not so big riot and growling ... but for unexperienced pedestrians it's like B-17! For me too, if I'm in front of amp, and cable isn't at last 10 ft, but I like to see it from side view...
Earthquake feeling and damage is incorporated very carefully in the price... but until now, I didn't got "green light"...
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SantaStrat
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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Looks interesting....Usually there are reasons why amps cost less than others...How's the wiring, the electronic components, service, construction, etc?
I had a Peavey Roadmaster 1/2 stack back in 1971, 200 watts, 3 channels, torturous, volcanic, splendiferous in many ways, but the cab started shaking after only a few months, and there were strange whistling sounds coming from I know not where...
I wish I still had it, but I'm not sure why...Maybe to compare to my Marshall DSL50....I love the Marshall sound a lot...
Have you seen this? Probbly more expensive than the Bugera....
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: |
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I read some good reviews on 'Harmony Central' about the Bugera... 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| SantaStrat wrote: | | I read some good reviews on 'Harmony Central' about the Bugera... |
I saw this Fender "monster amp" but didn't try it, just Marshall's ModeFour. I saw some good reviews for Bugera speakers, but it seems that these amps are still (smoking) new in World of music and time shall to show us how endurance of it is. As you already say, you can play something up to half of full volume and all is OK, but daily playing on 7-10 of volume scale on cheap assembled amp could show weak places...
Sure, Marshall's sounds are generally OK, except stupid MG series, with this I mean about valve amp, but hard to find 100% same sounding Marshalls! I had JCM900 and was excellent and other people had it too but had have only bad word for it! What to say..? Tried also JCM800 - also OK, old school. I would like to borrow some amp that "kill" and cut air, like Randall Warhead, Krank, XXX, Diezel VH4 ... some ENGL, Mesa Recto Red Crock... but it will remani only my unreachable wishes...
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Same here, my friend! I can look at big earth moving amps these days, but I don't have a use for them, so I won't be owning any!
I'll just have to be happy (and I am) with my little combo amps. They do the job, and do it well.
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| SAguitar wrote: | Same here, my friend! I can look at big earth moving amps these days, but I don't have a use for them, so I won't be owning any!
I'll just have to be happy (and I am) with my little combo amps. They do the job, and do it well. |
You are in right,... small combos up to 50W are very thankfully gear for house... but they just have not so many "knobs" as bigger brothers have! maybe with some good processor, multi-effect pedals... Due that I wish some more powerfully amp here and there, but just for half hour - hour, I'm not so young for whole daily growling
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